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「键盘侠」欧文总决赛表现惊人｜真实实力究竟几何？

In 13 career finals games, Kyrie Irving is averaging 28ppg on near 50/40/90 shooting splits.

欧文职业生涯一共打了13场总决赛，场均得到28分，投篮命中率接近50+40+90。

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[–][NYK] Anthony MasonBlueHundred 296 points 20 hours ago

Kyrie is both very overrated and very underrated. Depends who you ask

尼克斯球迷：欧文在被高估得厉害和被低估得厉害之间来回游走，而这两者的答案取决于你问谁。

[–]Trail BlazersCletus_Starfish 80 points 17 hours ago

I call this "Kobe Bryant Syndrome".

开拓者球迷：我将其称为“科比综合症。”

[–]Cavaliersvoyaging 12 points 10 hours ago

It really is very similar. Kobe stans think he's a top 5 all-time player and then haters will say shit like he's not even top 20.

骑士球迷：还真挺像，科比的信徒觉得他是NBA历史前五的球员，然后黑子们狂喷科比，就好像科比根本进不了前20一样。

[–]NBAtrustmeimaengineer 19 points 16 hours ago

I really don't get this sentiment. This sub praises Kyrie's basketball ability, we all know he's great in the playoffs and the finals. The only shit I ever see Kyrie get is for being an idiot off of the basketball court.

我不知道这个帖子开设的目的在哪，这个帖子赞扬了欧文的篮球天赋，但是我们都知道欧文在季后赛和总决赛的能力贼强，我不喜欢欧文的地方主要是在篮球场之外太蠢了。

[–][NYK] Anthony MasonBlueHundred 16 points 16 hours ago

I see it this way. A lot of people rate him as a top 3 PG. And a lot say fringe top 10. Some say a top 10 player and some say otherwise. At least in my experience

尼克斯球迷：我是这么看的，很多人将他视为前三的控球后卫，也有很多人说他在控卫里排名前十左右，有些人说他是联盟前十球员，但是也有些人说他不是，所以这个帖子就出来了。

[–][UTA] Joe InglesNitroXYZ 522 points 23 hours ago

Yeah for all his faults you cant deny that Kyrie is always there to step up in the big moments.

爵士球迷：是的，尽管他有很多错误，但是你不能否认欧文总是能在巨星时刻中有巨大提升。

[–][BOS] Jayson TatumIntergalacticWZRD[S] 205 points 23 hours ago

Yeah, I know he’s not everyone’s cup of tea with his personality and some of the stuff he says. But I find it kinda ridiculous when people still say he’s not good enough to be a top option on a contender. Offensively he’s absolutely good enough to be the focal point of an offense.

凯尔特人球迷：是的，我知道因为他的个性以及他说的某些话使得他不怎么遭人喜欢，但是当人们说他不够格成为总冠军竞争球队的头号选择时就有些荒谬了，在进攻端他绝对能成为球队的门面的。

[–]NeoBey 44 points 20 hours ago

People say that because he is always going to depend on a secondary play maker. He can’t run an offense on his own, and his time in Cleveland, both with and without LeBron, has proved it.

Even when the Cavs were stacked, the team would routinely fall apart when LeBron took a breather and Kyrie was tasked with running things,

If he’s the #1, it better be a really damn good team 2-8 if he’s going to contend.

人们说这话的原因是因为他的能力取决于第二持球手，他不能自己运转一个进攻体系，就在他在克利夫兰的那段时间里，在没有勒布朗和有勒布朗的时间段里都证明了这一点。

即使骑士阵容齐全，球队也会在勒布朗喘息休息、欧文运转进攻时一落千丈。

如果他是第一选择并且准备追逐冠军的话，那支球队的第二到第八人都得足够优秀。

[–]Celticsnot_Brendan 46 points 18 hours ago

Celtics are in a really good place to minimize that. We can easily have at least one of Gordon Hayward, Al Horford, or Marcus Smart out there for facilitating duties, and at least one of Terry Rozier, Jayson Tatum, or Gordon Hawyard for scoring playmaking duties.

凯尔特人球迷：凯尔特人在这方面能最小化欧文的劣势，我们可以很轻松得让海沃德、霍福德或者斯马特其中的一个去执行功能性任务，或者会让罗齐尔、塔图姆或者海沃德承担持球得分的任务。

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[–][MIA] Wayne EllingtonJewRepublican69 24 points 18 hours ago

Yeah it really is the LeBron effect.

In no way is Kyrie a bad playoff performer by any means. But his "clutch playoff assassin!!" reputation is overstated and a byproduct of literally one shot.

1) For his career in standard crunchtime settings in the playoffs Kyrie is a 28% shooter. Ive looked these stats up for many players that 28% figure is bottom level amongst stars this century. For ex CP3 scores at about 2X the rate that Kyrie does in such situations.

2) The privilege of playing with LeBron meant that people only focused on Kyrie's good playoff moments and whenever he didn't play well it got overlooked or if they lost all the blame went to LeBron

a) The first 2 games of the 2016 and 2017 NBA Finals: Kyrie averages 20 PPG on 45% TS. Look at the history of teams down 2-0: their success rate isn't much higher than being down 3-1 we just only remember the cases when teams come back from it(like in 2016). Ie sucking the first two games of the Finals matters.

b) First two rounds of the 2017 NBA playoffs: 50% TS. But LeBron goes HAM those two series and the Cavs sweep so nobody says anything.

c) In game 6 of the 2016 NBA Finals Kyrie was AWFUL the 2nd half. 1/7 for 3 points. The Cavs were doing all they could to have a 2015 Game 6 LAC vs HOU type collapse as a 24 point lead got cut to 8 early in the 4th. But LeBron goes king kong mode so nobody notices or cares about Kyrie.

d) The first 4 games of the 2015 East Semis vs Chicago: Kyrie 18 PPG 36% FG. But LeBron hits a GW to prevent Cle from going down 3-1 and bails everybody out so NBD.

For perspective: Kyrie the "playoff assassin stats" in playoffs: 24/5/3 57% TS. James Harden the "playoff choker!!": 28/7/5 57% TS while in Hou in the playoffs. Kyrie benefits from people just loving his style of play

热火球迷：

实际上这都会“勒有引力”的结果。

尽管说欧文是一个不好的季后赛发挥者是没有道理的，但是他的“关键杀手”称号明显是过誉了。

1. 从他的职业生涯来看，季后赛他在关键时刻出手的比重只占球队的28%，这个数据在明星球员中实际上排名很低了，举个例子，曾经的保罗出手比重在相同的条件下是欧文的两倍

2. 这是与勒布朗-詹姆斯打球的偏见会让人们只注意到欧文季后赛高光时刻，但是只要打得不好就会被忽略过去或者把锅都给詹姆斯

a）2016和2017年总决赛的前两场比赛：欧文场均只有20分，真实命中率不过45%，然后球队0-2落后，我们只记得最后翻盘，但是却没人能注意到总决赛前两场欧文打得并不好。

b）2017年季后赛前两轮：欧文真实命中率不过50%，但是勒布朗天神下凡，这两轮系列赛骑士横扫过关，所以也没人说啥。

c）在2016年总决赛第六场欧文实际上下半场发挥极其糟糕，三分球七中一，要知道骑士差点遭遇当年快船对阵火箭第六场的结局崩盘，他们一度领先24分，但是最后在第四节被追到只差8分，但是勒布朗开启皇帝模式所以也没人注意到欧文发挥很糟糕。

d）2015年东部半决赛对阵公牛的前四场比赛：欧文36%的命中率得到18分，但是勒布朗命中绝杀并且防止球队1-3落后，所以又没人注意到欧文的发挥。

最后再上一个数据吧：欧-季后赛杀手-文季后赛场均24+5+3，真实命中率57%，哈-季后赛辣鸡-登场均28+7+5，真实命中率57%（火箭阶段），欧文因为他的球风真是吸粉太多。

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[–]Knicks10_zing 243 points 23 hours ago

His 41 in Game 5 2016 was absolutely amazing. LeBron matched it as well but if Kyrie didn't show up there, they wouldve lost the series that game.

尼克斯球迷：他在2016年总决赛第五场的41分真是太不可思议了，尽管勒布朗也拿了41分，但是如果欧文不秀起来的话，他们本会输掉那轮总决赛的。

[–][UTA] Mehmet Okurkiticus 129 points 23 hours ago

Wait a second....50+40+90=180.

180 degrees is half the circumference of a circle.

The diameter of a circle is a straight line between 2 points half way between the the circumference of a circle

The line marking the diameter of a circle is flat

HOLY SHIT, THE EARTH IS FUCKING FLAT!

爵士球迷：等一下……50+40+90=180

180度是圆的一半。

圆的直径是圆周长一半的两个点之间的连线。

标记圆直径的直线也是平的。

该死，原来地球就是平的！

[–]Warriorsklankthompson 65 points 23 hours ago

Dude was tryin to tell me Butler is better than Kyrie. Nah.

勇士球迷：有人告诉我巴特勒比欧文强，简直搞笑。

[–][BOS] Tayshaun PrinceCelticsfor18th 21 points 19 hours ago

That’s very debatable...

凯尔特人球迷：实际上真不一定……

[–]LakersThe_NA_Deft 48 points 22 hours ago

In the playoffs, Steph Curry is the only guard I'd definitely take over Kyrie. Dude has absolutely balled the fuck out in big games.

湖人球迷：季后赛里，库里是唯一一个我觉得能稳压欧文的人，这家伙在大场合里的表现太强了。

来源：Reddit

编译：万事胜意

欧文3次总决赛数据一览，场均277分超神，16年完胜库里

在许多球迷眼里，欧文是名气大于实力的。作为11年的状元秀，欧文拥有很强的实力，他得分才华顶级，是个进攻万花筒。不过欧文却是个更衣室炸弹，无论是骑士时期，还是后来转会凯尔特人和篮网，欧文都经常爆发更衣室矛盾。带队能力一般，但攻坚能力很强，欧文就像是一把双刃剑，那欧文3次总决赛之旅表现如何呢？场均27.7分超神，16年完胜库里。

单核带队期间，欧文一直是无缘季后赛。一直到14年詹姆斯重回骑士，欧文才有了进入季后赛的机会。詹欧合作第一年，就展现出了很强的统治力，14-15赛季，骑士直接突围东部，和勇士会师总决赛。欧文第1场总决赛，就砍下了23分7篮板6助攻4抢断的劲爆数据。但遗憾的是，此役过后欧文就因伤报销，骑士队也遗憾输掉了当年的总决赛。

一年之后，骑士队卷土重来。16年骑士再次统治东部，他们先是横扫了活塞和老鹰队，东部决赛又4-2拿下猛龙，再次杀回到总决赛舞台。他们的对手，仍然是勇士队，那支勇士是创造了73胜神迹的豪强，库里更是史上第一位全票MVP。当年欧文连三阵都没有，库里却是全票MVP，但欧文对位库里却丝毫不落下风。

在1-3落后的绝境下，正是欧文的暴走，给了骑士逆转的机会。尤其是到了总决赛抢七，欧文的关键三分球，更是为骑士锁定胜局。骑士最终完成了逆天翻盘，欧文的三分也成为总决赛经典。系列赛7场，欧文场均轰下27.1分3.9篮板3.9助攻的华丽数据，命中率达到了46.8%。反观库里，他拿到了22.6分4.9篮板3.7助攻的数据，命中率40.3%不算高。16年骑士夺冠，说欧文表现完胜库里毫不为过。